I am Fictional

IF these trolls are the ancestors

they aren’t the alpha trolls.

I mean, if we accept that “ALPHA” means primary, as with the Alpha Earth and Alpha kids, IE the one that will go on.

THE TROLL UNIVERSE ALREADY SCRATCHED. Karkat and his crew are the ALPHA trolls. That’s the entire reason the Sufferer had his visions, remember?

The trolls John and company know are the post-scratch, alpha trolls. Any flipped trolls are pre-scratch and beta.